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Friday, 30 November 2007

Nazi Hunters - 2007

Who would have thought that over sixty years after the end of the Second World War, there would still be Nazi Hunters?

I am sorry that these "
Old Nazi Hunters" can't let go now ... what are they going to do in ten years time, when even the youngest war criminal would be at least 87 (assuming they committed the crimes aged 16 or 17 in 1945), and more realistically they would be more like 97 yrs old or older?

How many men would be alive at that age, and how many of them would be Nazi war criminals?? Statistically, none! It's over now, the Jewish Nazi hunters all presumably believe in God, so leave any punishment to the divine.

  • How would you try people so old that they are likely senile?
  • Where are the witnesses going to come from?
  • How could testimony of events 65 or 75 yrs ago, as remembered presumably by children, be any good in a court?
Everything ends sometime, even the Second World War, and now is the time. Any Trials now would both be a farce or a fraud and besmirch the memories of the dead.

Frankly the
Jews of the world have a lot more to fear from the rise of a form of Islam in Western Europe, that would happily repeat the Nazi’s actions, and in real truth there are only two places where they can feel wholly safe now, the United States and Israel.

I would like to be able to say that they would be safe in Europe, but in East Europe, the far right and far left have never taken to Judaism, and although the Governments are not anti Semitic, the general public in that area are prone to bouts of
Anti-Semitism.

Why this is so I have never wholly understood, except that even before 1940
Pogroms were ever a feature of Eastern Europe. In fact historically it’s hard to find a race that has apparently been so universally hated, and persecuted. The earliest instances seem to have been about 586 BC, and continued pretty much until today. For a “chosen people” they seem to have pissed off an awful lot of peoples.

I almost hate to ask this, but is there maybe a reason for all this? I mean after all,

  • Why, if you were the ‘chosen race’ would you be in exile from your promised land longer than you had ever had a country?
  • Why would every host nation with whom you shared a land, always, without fail, turn on you and try to kill or expel you?
  • Why when you were in the chosen land, were you always being attacked?
It would sort of shake my faith in being 'chosen' at all, or if 'chosen', on who actually chose you?

In any event, what ever the reason, there is no denying that
New Anti-Semitic attacks in Western Europe are up over the last few years, linked to the rise in the numbers of Muslims. It’s all very disturbing, and linked to the problems with Muslims that are likely to occur in Europe, points to Jewish peoples not being safe here anymore. Certainly if I was Jewish I would be looking to leave Europe to its Dhimmitude.

It appears to me that many European states would likely pander to Muslim sentiments, rather than protect the Jewish population. By that I mean, if it came to the crunch, rather than expel the Muslims (which is what they should do), they would expect the Jews to quietly leave.

It’s disgraceful, as it’s usually socialists who hold this kind of view, but it’s the truth, even if it’s a little odd, because Jews have played such a large part in the development of socialism and trade unions around the world (as well as communism in Eastern Europe).

The most wanted Nazis, and their current ages if still alive.

[1] Alois Brunner (Age 94) may have died in 1992

Location: Syria
Brunner was a key operative of Adolf Eichmann, Nazi mastermind behind the Holocaust. He is held responsible for deportation of 128,500 Jews to Nazi death camps
Status: living in Syria for decades. Damascus refusal to cooperate has stymied prosecution efforts. Brunner has been convicted in absentia by France.

[2]
Dr Aribert Heim (Age 92)

Location: Thought to be in Chile, elsewhere in Latin America or possibly in Spain or Austria
Heim was a doctor in Sachsenhausen, Buchenwald and Mauthausen concentration camps, there is a reward of €310,000 on his head. He murdered hundreds of camp inmates by lethal injection in Mauthausen.
Status: Heim disappeared in 1962 prior to a planned prosecution. There is strong evidence that he is still alive and there have been recent sightings of him.

[3]
Ivan Demjanjuk (Age 86)

Location: USA
Demjanjuk participated in the mass murder of Jews in Sobibor death camp. He also served in Majdanek death camp and Trawniki SS-training camp.
Status: Demjanjuk has been stripped of US citizenship and there is an outstanding deportation order against him, he is under investigation in Poland.

[4]
Milivoj Asner (Age 93)
Location: Austria
Asner was police chief of Slavonska Poega, in Croatia and took an active role in persecution and deportation to death of hundreds of Serbs, Jews, and Gypsies.
Status: discovered in 2004 indicted by Croatia which requested his extradition from Austria which has refused to extradite him. He claims medical problems.

[5]
Dr Sandor Kepiro (Age 93)

Location: Hungary
As a Hungarian gendarmerie officer Kepiro participated in mass murder of over 1,200 civilians in Novi Sad, Serbia
Status: discovered in 2006. Kepiro was originally convicted but never punished in Hungary. Hungary recently refused to implement his original sentence but has opened a new criminal investigation against him.

[6] Mikhail (Michael) Gorshkow (84) ... no links for him.

Location: Estonia
Gorshkow participated in murder of Jews in Belarus
Status: He was stripped of US citizenship and is under investigation in Estonia

[7]
Erna Wallisch (Age 85)

Location: Austria
Wallisch was a guard at Majdanek death camp and she has a admitted role in mass murder
Status: Austria refuses to prosecute due to a statute of limitations but new witnesses to Wallisch's direct involvement in war crimes may see a rethink. She is under investigation in Poland.

[8]
Søren Kam (Age 85)

Location: Germany
Kam is suspected in the murder of anti-nazi Danish newspaper editor Carl Henrik Clemmensen, and his alleged aiding of the deportation of Danish Jews to Nazi concentration camps, where dozens were murdered.
Status: Kam was indicted in Denmark for the murder of Clemmensen, but a German court refused to approve his extradition to stand trial in Copenhagen. The Danish judicial authorities have recently launched an investigation of his role in the deportation of the Jews at the request of the
Wiesenthal Centre.

[9]
Karoly (Charles) Zentai (Age 85)

Location: Australia
Zentai participated in manhunts, persecution, and murder of Jews in Budapest in 1944.
Status: discovered in 2004, Hungary has issued an international arrest warrant against him and has asked for his extradition from Australia, Zentai is currently appealing.

[10]
Algimantas Dailide (Age 85)

Location: Germany
Dailide arrested Jews who were then murdered by Nazis and Lithuanian collaborators
Status: He was deported from USA and convicted by Lithuania, where the authorities have yet to implement his sentence of imprisonment citing medical reasons.

[11]
Harry Mannil (Age 87)

Location: Venezuela
Mannil allegedly arrested Jews and Communists, who were then executed by Nazis and Estonian collaborators
Status: He was cleared by the Estonian authorities after a four-year investigation in 2005, but remains barred from entry to the US. He remains cited by the
Simon Wiesenthal centre as wanted for war crimes.
[12] Bogdan Koziy (Age 85)

Location: Costa Rica
Ukrainian policeman personally murdered 5 Jewish families in Lysiec (Ukraine)
Status: Ordered expelled but no country willing to accept him during past year. Investigation initiated in Poland
[13] Algimantas Dailide (Age 85)
Location: Lithuania
Arrested two polish nationals, and twelve Jews, while he served in the police during World War II. At that time, the local police was controlled the Nazi regime.
Status: Denaturalized in USA; Convicted in Lithuania, but because of age wasn't imprisoned.
I have had a comment from someone who appears to know something about Mr Mannil (No 11), suggesting that he was a 20 yr old clerk who interviewed people (see comments) and not a war criminal.
This is exactly my point, after 60 odd yrs, an allegation can still be made, but it's just one persons word against another, and as seen in this list, trials outside of Israel are increasingly not getting a guilty verdict, or imprisonment.
There are no doubt more, but frankly it becomes a little difficult to determine where genocide drifts back into mass murder, and then down to psychopath / serial killer etc etc. Plain brutality is not necessarily genocide, it can be a war crime, or something else. What I am suggesting is, that a janitor or guards barracks cleaner in a concentration camp, may be totally unfeeling, and even morally repugnant, but are they a war criminal?
I might add that civil police in the occupied countries, were all in danger of being classed as collaborators, and even 'war criminals', when they did anything the Nazi's requested, and yet you couldn't just have no police force, because rapists, murderers, burglary etc carried on, war or no war, and occupation or not. Were any Dutch, Belgian or French police guilty of the same 'crimes' as some of these East Europeans?
You have to draw a line somewhere, and I think with a lot of very old men, it seems that this could be the time to do so now.
I understand the Jewish need to keep this issue alive and in the public consciousness, but in truth, there are many people who believe that all this happened hundreds of years ago (Blame PC education systems). The Muslims have no interest in, and no sympathy for "The Holocaust", and claim that its all a lie or a myth, not surprising given their ignorance and the religion they follow.
However the rest of the world appears to have moved on as well, .... the 'Armenian Genocide' is 90 yrs old, and although it still makes the news occasionally, it's now a special interest subject, and I am sorry to say that the 'Holocaust' is now in that category as well.
I am not sure that trying to raise the issue again, and again by issuing lists, isn't just ultimately counter productive i.e. making anti hero's' out of Nazi's (TV viewing figures are substantially higher for programmes on the Third Reich, than about the holocaust).
The BBC have just run a story on a similar theme of war crimes, humanity and the hunting down the criminals .... I have added this link to my blog because of its close relation to the story. 

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Wednesday, 28 November 2007

Sharia Law in the Sudan and elsewhere

Also in todays news, the English woman teacher in Sudan under arrest because her Muslim kids in a christian / muslim school named a teddy bear 'Mohammad' .... was still in Prison for the third day.

Our Dhimmi Foreign Secretary was silent until today, but has now decided to 'summon the Sudan Ambassador' .... they must be trembling already. Still a disgrace, but better than the 'nothing' he has done so far.

Maybe PM Brown picking a Jewish Foreign Secretary was not too bright, when dealing mainly with Muslim countries, whose ignorant radicals only consider him to be a descendant of either "
apes or a pig" They misquote the Koran 2:65 007:166 that refers to an unknown passage in the Torah / Old Testament in which for ignoring the Sabbat / Sabbath some Jewish people are turned into apes and swine.

The Imam of the Al-Haram Mosque at Mecca
Sheikh Abd Al-Rahman Al-Sudayis still preaches this as fact. This is the text for one of his sermons "Read the history to know that yesterday’s Jews are evil predecessors and today’s Jews are worse successors. They an ingrate people, they altered God’s words, worshipped calf, killed Messengers and denied their Messages. They are exiled people and the worst of mankind. Allah cursed them and cast His wrath upon them. He turned some of them to monkeys and pigs and worshippers of creatures. They are worst in position and are astray from the right path…"

It's stunning that the nearest Islam has to a high authority, can preach such hate, and the apologists in the West say nothing. The Pope on the other hand is condemned by Muslims and their Western apologists for suggesting that Islam has brought violence and compulsion into religion .... no wonder we are losing the battle for hearts and minds. If the West monitored and condemned the Muslim Imams who preach hate, then Islam would be on the back foot and forced to respect our values if they want anything from us.

Anyway as you might have guessed, despite a load of steaming Bull Shit by our Foreign Office, the
Sudanese Government and the Sudan Embassy in London, all of which said the situation was a "storm in a teacup, based on a cultural misunderstanding" ... The Rent-A-Mob still hold sway in Sudan, and the poor woman has apparently been charged and is now facing a possible six months in jail, 40 lashes or a fine (or all three). This despite the fact that the little boy who named the teddy bear saying it was named after him.

As you might also have guessed some of the "Good Muslims" of Sudan and round the world support "punishing her" .... These are
comments on the BBC Africa web site which included comment like these:

"Lashes is a severe punishment and it is too harsh for what she did. But she has to be punished somehow. She should have learnt more about this society and taken more care about her actions ..... Me and other parents are not happy about the school closure.". Fatima, Khartoum Sudan (Such a liberal view by Fatima, sorry the whipping has interrupted the education of your little Mohammad ... do you think we should punish Muslims the same way in the West?)

"It is actually an insult to Prophet Mohammed". Amira al-Marani, Yemen (It's hard not to insult him it appears.... I thought he really really liked little children?)

"I was born in Sudan. I moved to the UK two years ago ..... She was very wrong to make fun of the Prophet Muhammad. Boys are called Muhammad and that's alright because mothers are proud to name their sons after the Prophet. But to name a teddy bear after him is wrong. The teacher should be punished because she has insulted Islam and Muslim people". Meizu, UK (Well aren't they the the ideal UK immigrant eh? I am so glad that our weak government decided to let a little piece of shit like him or her become a citizen of the UK.).

"The children voted as well. They should lock them up too, as a lesson to anybody who insults Prophet Muhammad." K K Djibouto, Sudan (That's it K, lets whip a bunch of 8 year olds! ..beautiful sharia, fair to children as well as adults)

To be fair many, many Muslims have spoken out against the nutcases .... here's a sample of a few of their comments:

"I am a Muslim, and I must say that the interpretation of the rules has gone too far....This ridiculous interpretation of Islamic rules should be stopped". Syazwina Saw, Malaysia

"My name is Mohammed. Should my parents be tried for insulting Islam?" Mohammed

"Since visual representation of the Prophet is considered blasphemous, then shouldn't all those Muslim men who are named after the Prophet change their names?" Nishank Motwani, New Delhi, India

"I am a Muslim but I am not offended by what she did. She had no idea that it is forbidden. She should be freed". Razan, Khartoum, Sudan

"To feel offended by what the teacher did is impossible. She should not be punished for something like that. The poor lady is being accused of a sin she did not commit .... I hope and pray that the UK government will take this seriously and intervene with vigour before things get out of hand. Why aren't Muslim brothers taking more kindly to such things? Sanity my people!" Salma Aki, Khartoum Sudan (I fear our Govt is weak and PC ridden, and couldn't stand up to an angry teddy bear, let alone a very weak Sudan Government).

"I'm a Muslim and I find it ridiculous that such a harmless incident could incite such hatred. Where is the common sense? There are people called Muhammad who behave worse than animals and yet we have to imprison a teacher for choosing this name for a teddy bear. Simply outrageous". Faruq, Singapore

At least there is some sanity in the Muslim world but, why oh why, is it never the sane ones who rule in Muslim countries?

As I write, the faithful are streaming out of Mosques in Khartoum crying "No Tolerance, Shame on the UK and Kill Her" .... what a wonderful and fulfilling religion Islam is, how the world would miss them if they just disappeared off the face of the planet.

There is a YouTube video of a Palestinian Doctor apparently explaining to the Muslims that Pigs are reincarnated Jews and that's why pork is prohibited ..... the religion of science!

Monday, 26 November 2007

Saudi Spin on Sharia Justice

The story of the Saudi rape victim, who has been put into prison and ordered to be whipped just refuses to go away (although the deafening silence from our 'boy' Foreign Secretary would make you wonder if it had ever arrived).

The Saudi's, in an effort to put a better spin on their barbaric legal system, have decided to release "New" details. Well according to official press agency, "The Saudi justice minister expressed his regret about the media reports over the role of the woman in this case which put out false information and wrongly defend her," the statement said, "The charged girl is a married woman who confessed to having an affair with the man she was caught with." .... well that's OK then, be still my liberal heart.

But not content with this statement, intended to make us all realise the benignity of Sharia Laws, they went on to try and guild the lily, by adding that she has reportedly now said that she met the car-owner in order to retrieve a photo of them together, having herself recently got married. She also says two men entered the car and drove them to a secluded area where others were waiting, and both she and her male companion were gang raped.

This latest justice ministry statement, is at odds with previous published testimony of the woman, who is a Shia Muslim from the Qatif area.

Oh, that's cleared that up then .... so let's just get this straight

  1. This girl somehow manages to set up and have an affair with a married man (not an easy task in Saudi Arabia), and of course the man is innocent.
  2. Then she gets married and wants a photo of them together, given back.
  3. She meets the man in a car, where by chance two members of a rape gang spot them.
  4. They are then hijacked and taken to another location where a bunch of Arabs are waiting to rape them both.
  5. She appeals against the length of sentences handed out.
  6. The jurists panel decide that they will increase the sentences, but add to hers (for being in a car with a man who is not her father or husband).
The end result, because there was a man raped,
  • The rapists get a prison sentence.
  • The male 'adulterer' gets sentenced to 90 lashes (no prison for him, even though it was he who was married .... there's justice)
  • The victim, gets a prison and whipping sentence.
So lets review this, because I am so stunned by the latest revelations.

  1. The Saudis are admitting to having gangs of men just hanging around waiting the rape anyone of either sex who they get hold of.... isn't that against Islam? Isn't homosexuality banned, as Muslims are always claiming? Officially homosexuality is considered a crime and forbidden in most Islamic countries, like Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc although some, such as Turkey don't have any laws. In Saudi Arabia, the maximum punishment for homosexuality is public execution, but the government will use other punishments—e.g., fines, jail time, and whipping
  2. In a culture where young men hold hands with other boys, in an all male street culture, where women are never seen, homosexuality has always been rife, and apparently so are rapists. Despite the laws, some Muslim nations are widely perceived to have a thriving underground homosexual subculture.
  3. The Quran and Hadiths promises sex with young boys for martyrs. One of the rewards all Muslims are promised is 72 virgins (Houri's) plus 12 boys servants. (The number of virgins is not specified in Quran, it comes from a quotation of Muhammad recorded in one of the lesser known Hadith).
  4. Gang rape is a very real fear for women in Muslim countries - In Pakistan and India women are routinely gang raped as punishment for some perceived family crime (and this is a Hindu as well as Muslim crime) and in Arab countries gangs of young men gather during the Eid festival and then hunt down women (often even those who are accompanied by men) and grope, assault or even gang rape them.
  5. Punishment for rapists is rare, punishment for the victim (or even if she succesfully defends herself) is common and often extreme.
The Quran is somewhat ambivalent about homosexuality, as sodomy has been an Arab vice since well before the advent of Islam, and Mohammeds followers included men who kept boys as concubines. North India became so full of pedarists that families sent their young boys to the Hindu south to escape the clutches of men searching for boys. The Arab world has a history of denial but practise of homosexuality. Even today, Sheik Fallah bin Zayed bin Sultan Al Nahyan the brother of the Emir of the United Arab Emirates was arrested in Switzerland for sexually assaulting a man and then beating him when he was rebuffed.

The Public denial is because its a Sin; And Yet as shown the Quran implies young virgin boys will be available for the faithful in paradise. Being raped by Muslims has been a common fate for all men captured by their armies, from the 8th century (2nd Mohammed) right through to Napoleons men.
Paradise includes provisions for both interests (obviously not for women), however as it is prohibited by Allah, this contradiction (there can be no errors in the Quran) is couched in ambiguous terms that don't specify what the faithful will do with the boys on offer (although it doesn't take much guessing ...... 'scattered like virgin pearls' isn't subtle).
  • (QURAN 52:24): "And there will go round boy-servants of theirs, to serve them as if they were preserved pearls."
  • (QURAN 56:17): "They will be served by immortal boys (Ghilman or Ghils)."
  • (QURAN 76:19): "And round about them will (serve) boys of everlasting youth. If you see them, you would think them scattered pearls."
  • Sura 52:24. "And there shall wait on them young boys of their own, as fair as virgin pearls.
  • Sura 56:17. "And there shall wait on them immortal youths with bowls and pitchers of water and a cup of purest wine."
  • Sura 76:19. "They shall be attended by boys graced with eternal youth, who will seem like scattered pearls to the beholders."

Arabic poetry also glorifies homosexuality, e.g. Abu Nuwas:
O the joy of sodomy!/So now be sodomites, you Arabs./Turn not away from it--therein is wondrous pleasure./Take some coy lad with kiss-curls twisting on his temple/and ride as he stands like some gazelle standing to her mate./A lad whom all can see girt with sword/and belt not like your whore who has to go veiled./Make for smooth-faced boys and do your/very best to mount them,/for women are the mounts of the devils
And a poem by a 12th century poet in Spain, Muhammad ibn Malik:
"Friday/ in the mosque/ my gaze fell upon a slim young man/ beautiful/ as the rising moon./ When he bent forward in prayer/ my only thought was/ oh, to have him/ stretched out/ flat before me,/ buttocks-up,/ face-down./"

Also in todays news, an English woman teacher in Sudan is under arrest because her Muslim kids in a christian / muslim school named a teddy bear 'Mohammed' .... as you might expect the 'rent-a-mob' and boy gangs were roused out to 'Kill the Kafir' (or worse), so she is now in prison awaiting a charge under Sharia Law.
No word from our Dhimmi foreign secretary, so nothing new there then (if this was the US they would have cut aid, moved an aircraft carrier off coast and started the clock ticking before Sudan needed a new capital).

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Saturday, 24 November 2007

Clash of Artistic Cultures?

There is a program on TV called “This is Civilisation” on Channel Four (UK) at the moment. It's premise is that an art critic makes a personal selection of the greatest artistic moments and monuments of history, in a story that weaves together three great civilisations – Christianity, Islam, and the Pagan culture of ancient Greece – showing how each has influenced the other, and how the art that all three religions have left behind continues to shape our world.

“Whoa there ‘Hoss’ …. Islam, Art?” Well maybe, there were at various times a sort of art renaissance in Islam that produced Artists and Poets e.g. poems by Hafez, Persia’s most famous poet.

“OH Cup-bearer, set my glass afire
With the light of wine! Oh minstrel, sing:
The world fulfilleth my heart's desire!
Reflected within the goblet's ring
I see the glow of my Love's red cheek,
And scant of wit, ye who fail to seek
The pleasures that wine alone can bring!”

Wine was being produced in the Shiraz region right up until 1979, so the imposition of an alcohol ban was actually a very non Iranian act. Alcohol was on open sale in Pakistan until Gen Zia Ul Haq made Sharia the base of the law system. In fact that’s really where it starts and ends for Islamic art, Iran and India. The Arabs were quickly reduced to producing abstract tiles and calligraphy (always a sign of a society in sterile isolation… for example when China turned in on itself, it started producing calligraphy), whereas Iran produced writers, and painters (for example by Al-Biruni) including by the way, depicting (warning muslims: There are pictures of your Prophet, created by Persians, Uzbeks, Turks, Saudi's and other Muslims depicted here) Mohammad in books and paintings and coins, while Muslim India produced architecture as well as poets and writers.

Now the Persians had been a civilisation for millennia before the Arab invasions. They adapted to Islam and wouldn’t allow the wholesale destruction of their older culture by the Arabs (who were basically fanatical desert barbarians, who had no written culture, no representative art, and only oral story telling … even the Quran wasn’t completely written down for over a hundred years after Mohammed died (790 AD .. 200 AH) ad, even though the Arabs had conquered literate peoples). Similarly the Muslims in India couldn’t just destroy the art of the Hindu’s, Buddhists and Jains, not without having to fight millions of Indians…..

What an interesting concept the idea of Islamic Art seems today, it's obviously not a current idea, because there is nothing but sterile reproductions of old patterns being made now. Is this the Islam that destroyed the Buddha’s in Afghanistan? …. Or even today when there are Pakistanis are still destroying ancient Buddhist monuments in the name of Allah, and have been doing so for decades. A few lone voices from the Muslim world speak out about these atrocities, but they have no power, no influence and if a Mullah issues a fatwa, probably no life either.

The Mullahs have destroyed everything 'different' in Islam and Art in a quest for Wahhabi conformity, and Art only ever flourished when the practise of Islam was a local matter. You could say that the death of Islamic Art was a function of Empires and Globalisation of communications, which allowed thoughts to travel easier e.g. Under the British Empire extreme visions of Islam were first exported to India in the late 18th and early 19th century. Without Globalisation, ideas are slow moving things, but under Empires, and now the Global Internet, they can be swiftly passed on.

As Taliban leader Mullah Omar said at the time "Muslims should be proud to destroy idols. Our destroying them was an act of praise for God." … This is echoed by the latest of the “faithful” who thinks the Quran is call for destruction and death, “Mullah Maulana Fazlullah” who is currently the strong man in the Swat region, notwithstanding his youth: He is only 28 years old. He thinks of himself as part of the Taliban movement, and accepts only one authority: Mullah Omar. He has even proclaimed an "Islamic emirate" in his area of influence, and he commands a militia estimated to comprise some 4,500 men.

Of course that fact that these idols, paintings, and sculptures, often represent other cultures, beliefs and pre Islamic times, means that you can just about destroy anything. The beautiful Byzantine mosaics in churches in conquered lands were defaced (if not completely destroyed), as well as parts of the Egyptian heritage which were hacked.

You have to ask what would happen in the ‘conquered’ areas, if the “Caliphate” was ever restored? Would all the major museums be ransacked and “Un Islamic” items defaced or destroyed? Is this the fate that awaits all of Western Art at some time in the near future?

It’s very disturbing that the apologists for Islam refuse to recognise that those labelled ‘moderates’, are only moderate in relation to the very extreme Islamists. If they could recognise that, by and large Muslims are largely indifferent to, or actively hostile towards all Art that the West considers beautiful, then they might consider what will happen to those items in the future.

Ponder this, when the Taliban were in power they banned music, art and destroyed works of religious art, and ransacked the state museum. To treat the Taliban as somehow a freak regime, is to miss the fact that this is exactly the sort of regime that Islam descends into when the zealots get power. The New Iraq is barely a step above the Taliban in its treatment of Art, Non Islamic faiths and buildings, and Iraq now has an extreme Shia in charge of its museum and antiquities.

There are large parts of Pakistan where the Taliban would feel happy, as there are in Somalia and other ‘Sharia’ areas. We are fooling ourselves if we think that Muslim states are generally moving towards secular tolerance and enlightenment. All the evidence is depressingly that extremists have the upper hand in many states …. Who doubts that without the army, Pakistan, Egypt, Turkey, Syria and countless others would become “Theocratic” states?

In Pakistan General Zia Ul Haq's campaign of Islamification was the start of a long decline of education and political standards in the country. The schools stopped teaching in a secular manner, respect for other beliefs lessened, and intolerance has become the norm. Thirty years later, is it any surprise that maddrassa's are laws unto themselves, burning and destroying Bhuddist and other non Muslim monuments, attacking Christians (because they are "Crusaders") or even fellow Muslims who are in minorities e.g Ahmadi's and now bidding to break Pakistan into several states. Ul-Haq may turn out to be the father of the destruction of Pakistan.... either because the border regions are lost to the Taleban forever, or worse because the zealots will seize power (and get hold of nuclear weapons) in which case the US and India will destroy Pakistan.

There has been much speculation about 'Clashes of Civilisation', but not so much talk about the 'clash of cultural and artistic values', but I think that there is just as big a gulf between the current Wahhabi form of Islam, that’s sweeping the Muslim world on the back of Petrodollars from the Saudi peninsular, and the West. We believe that Art, Religion, Music and Expression are intertwined and that freedom in all, is where beauty resides. Islam holds religion to be supreme, and restricts what can be performed as "Art" in its name. In the more extreme forms it bans music, art, and of course freedom of expression.

Of course, there is a certain hypocrisy in all these bans, on the one hand a writer or artist can be condemned to death by some semi 'illiterate', with a beard and a turban masquerading as a 'scholar', because they have 'insulted' Islam, in a book the mullah has never read, or in a picture he has never seen, but televisions, and camera sales are not banned (despite the ban on images) because the powerful of Iran, Pakistan and Saudi like them. The Saudi's drive across the borders to watch movies, or fly to Europe to drink etc, and then go back to their mosques as if they had committed no sin .... is that not hypocrisy?

If the Ottoman Sultan Suleiman I had taken Vienna in 1526, it’s likely that Muslim influence would have swept across Europe, with Austria, Southern Germany, Northern Italy, and Central Europe under direct control, with the rest under Islamic influence. It’s even possible that if Vienna had fallen to Suleiman, His Empire might have eventually reached all the way to the North Sea, the alliance with France notwithstanding.

Should that have happened, Christianity (already in the middle of Catholic and Protestant wars), would probably have fallen to Islam, and we may have had no Rembrandt, Beethoven, Mozart, Reubans, Holbein, Spenser, Shakespeare, Monteverdi, Caravaggio, Huygens, Van Dyck, Velázquez, Milton, Molière, John Dryden to name but a few of the artists and musicians who would never have flowered in a regime, where no faces, or bodies could be painted, where music could be banned as Un Islamic and writers would be censored in thought.

I point to the treatment of writer Taslima Nasreen, firstly in Bangladesh and then in West Bengal by Muslim zealots. Her crime? She had "seriously hurt Muslim sentiments" by calling for more rights for women in her writings. When she called for Islamic religious edicts to be changed, she was referring to the Sharia laws (which are man made and biased against women), but that didn't stop an illiterate rent-a-mob being drummed out of the mosques by Mullahs who probably had never read the books, to destroy property, burn and loot in the name of 'protecting the honour' of their religion (contrast that to the peaceful monks of Burma, or the Christian peace marchers of the West), and then predictably, they pronounced a death sentence on the writer, and offered $2,000 to anyone who would kill her.

When a religion of a billion people can't tolerate any criticism, and tries to kill any one who has 'insulted it' (and let's be honest, it doesn't take much), then that isn't a religion that the civilised world should have to tolerate.

Finally I simply ask "How much poorer the world would be, if Islamic suppression of the arts had ever taken place across Europe, and how much more unpleasant it will be, if this ever takes place in the future?".

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Thursday, 22 November 2007

Sharia Law is Barbarism

I don't normally blog about other blog sites (with the odd few exceptions), but I happened across two articles and a news report, that were related to an earlier blog, and therefore worth following up further. I mentioned the case of a Saudi woman who was gang raped, and then sentenced to a prison sentence, as well as 200 lashes, for her "sins" under Saudi's Sharia Laws.

Why western women are not out on the streets, demanding the expulsion from the UK, and other western countries of every Iman who proposes these barbaric laws be brought here, shows just how the media is suppressing the truth in it's lack of reports on this story.

Anyway there has been further developments from the US, where politicians are not frightened to bloody death of Muslim rage (we really are in a state of Dhimmitude in the UK), the two contenders for the Democratic bid for the presidency (Hilary Clinton and Barack Obama) have both condemned the Saudi courts and said that its "beyond unjust" and urged "President Bush to call on King Abdullah to cancel the ruling and drop all charges against this woman"

Noticeably no European, and no British Politicians have stood up and said one word, although the BBC have run it as a talking point. Where is Gordon Brown and our Foreign Secretary, when you would expect their ethical foreign policy to be to the fore? They are praising the Saudi King for his shared values with the UK (well, as we are on our way to becoming a Muslim state, they may be right), and suppressing reports that there was bribery involved in our latest arms deals with the Saudi regime.

However a Muslim speaker has started campaigning for Sharia Laws to at least be reformed. Hasan Mahmud, the Director of Sharia Law of the Muslim Canadian Congress has campaigned in Canada against the imposition of Sharia Courts there (shockingly they operated there for twelve years). The interview he gave is on the link of his name.

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Sunday, 18 November 2007

Gordon Browns Cabinet of Pygmies and Yes men

Gordon Brown has set his inner cabinet team as being all his personal friends and protégés, many of whom have barely been MP’s for more than a few years.

Apart from the fact that it displays what a paranoiac Gordon Brown is by removing any ‘big beasts’ against whom he might be unfavourably compared, it also makes this possibly the worst cabinet in modern UK history. Judging by the "Annus Horribilis" that PM Brown is now having, it shows.

So let’s have a look at this collection of misfits and inadequate’s, seven of whom have been MP’s for less than ten years:

Chancellor of the Exchequer: Alistair Darling (a.k.a 'Mini Me' or Gordon Brown) MP from 1987 (Scotland) Treasury Minister under Gordon Brown since 1996. Taken over just in time to preside over, and take the blame for, any collapse in the economy. He has so far managed to get embroiled in the Northern Rock collapse, and the loss of 25 million data records .... not bad going.

Home Secretary: Jacqui Smith had been an MP since 1997 (England), and first held minor office in 2003. She was plucked from this relative obscurity by Gordon Brown in 2007, and is an admitted former drug taker who has been nicknamed “Jacqui Spliff” in some quarters. She is most noticeable for her perpetual spinning of every disaster to blame it on the Tories (best), or predecessor (2nd best), but not herself.

Most recently was found to have buried yet another illegal immigration story until the press discovered it. Is very PC and ‘on message’ in her public statements e.g. funded the LGBT history month (Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transgender) – or recently telling everyone who would listen that ‘mass immigration is good for UK’ despite evidence that at best it’s a neutral cost, and that in reality many groups (especially from Turkey, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Somalia), all Muslims, are just benefit migrants and are an active drain on the economy as well providing a source of terrorism.

Foreign Secretary: David Miliband (who is fast becoming an international joke). Been an MP since 2001 (England), and served as a backbencher for barely a year before ‘fast pathing’ to one of the big three jobs in UK politics. Working for Gordon Brown, before becoming an MP, appears to be the key reason for his fast track promotion to the post of Foreign Secretary.

Recently tried to suggest that, the countries of the Maghreb, and the Middle East, could all become members of the EU inside the next 25 yrs. He was described by an old style Labour MP (‘Bob’ Marshall-Andrews – England 1997) as "this pillock on his gap year” as he careers from capital to capital dispelling pearls of wisdom.

Schools Secretary: Ed Balls (Couldn’t make this name up) MP since 2004 (England). Worked for Gordon Brown since 1994 and therefore didn’t have to bother with waiting for high office. Ed has managed to be in post just long enough to watch the UK fall from 3rd to 15th (out of 41 participating countries) on the Pirls ladder of core reading skills. And fresh in we have fallen from 4th to 14th in the teaching of science.

That crashing noise you hear, is yet another new labour key policy hitting a brick wall..... it seems a long time since "Education, Education, Education" was one of the New Labour battle cries.

Cabinet Office Minister: Ed Miliband Bother of David Miliband (You get the picture) and son of a Marxist theorist (who said communism failed?). Worked for Gordon Brown from 1994 and became another “shoe in” MP from 2005 (England).

Secretary of State of International Development: Douglas Alexander became MP in 1997 (Scotland). Worked for Gordon Brown in 1990 … staunch Brownite from the start. (Odd how 'Thatcherism' survived as a political dogma whereas 'Blairism' has gone).

Housing Minster: Yvette Cooper Married to Ed Balls (Really, you can’t make this nepotism up) Former policy adviser to Gordon Brown. MP since 1997 (England)

Defence Secretary: Des Browne MP since 1997 (Scotland) worked for Gordon Brown at the treasury in 2005. Recently got on the wrong side of more ex generals and defence chiefs than you could shake a pointy stick at. He is the first man to be Scottish Secretary as well as Defence Secretary, which prompted the row. Somehow this became an attack on Gordon Brown as well, when he was accused of treating the forces with "contempt".

Transport Secretary: Ruth Kelly MP since 1997 (England) worked for Gordon Brown at the treasury in 2001. Only claim to fame is that she is a strong catholic who has issues about some pro homosexual policies (she overcame her scruples) .... She also had problems with child sex offenders employed in schools, and also sending her son to a fee-paying school, rather than the comprehensive system. Was a Blairite. (Seeing as everyone else in the Labour Party does the same thing, I am not sure why this was 'controversial' rather than just plain 'hypocritical'?)

Three things immediately strike you about this list:

  1. Every one of these appointees has barely served anytime as MP’s, most have served no apprenticeship as a junior minister, and some have done nothing before elevation.

    What do all those time served labour MP’s, who have been MP’s for decades think when they see policy wonks given safe seats and instant cabinet status? If I was one of them, I would be looking round for others of a like mind, forming a caucus of 70 Labour MP’s, and then giving Gordon a list of reforms to get rid of these little oiks.
  2. That everyone in his inner cabinet is a personal appointee of Gordon Brown, there are no ‘Blairites’ (if such a thing exists) and no political counter weights, aka ‘Big Beasts’ who could offer his cabinet a political balance, such as that which Brown provided to Blair, or Heseltine did for Thatcher. You have to assume that his well known fear of being contradicted or challenged, has caused him to pick political pygmies who will never be big enough to threaten him.

    This is particularly noticeable when you consider the make up of previous Labour governments: Clement Attlee’s postwar government contained Ernest Bevin, Herbert Morrison and Stafford Cripps who were all household names before taking office. Harold Wilson had his successor James Callaghan, the urbane Roy Jenkins and the intellectual bruiser, Denis Healey and even maverick George Brown.

    The famous Thatcher joke was her and the cabinet sitting down for a meal and the waiter asking her what she would have to eat? and she said “ Steak” and the waitere asks her ‘what about the vegtables?’ she replied “Oh they’ll have the same” … she could get away with this joke because the cabinet contained Heseltine, and Clarke, but what has Brown got apart from a cabinet of yes men and women?
  3. How the MP intake in New Labour is now centrally controlled with ‘local party democracy’ all but obsolete. Virtually every one of the ministers listed was a ‘parachuted’ into safe Labour seats that they would never have been selected for except via central control. E.g. one of these urbanites represents ‘South Shields’ and another Doncaster …. Hmm how long will they stay their once they retire? … Taxi for Miliband!
As an aside, I reckon this practise of parachuting of (mostly southern) appointees into safe Northern seats, damages Labour (and the same for the Tories) in the long run, by killing local parties. Anyone with ambition to be an MP now realises that becoming a councillor, and working for a local party, will get you overlooked when the time comes to select a party representative for MP in a safe seat. The route now is central office and a safe seat as the PM’s or Chancellors gift. This is the death knell to local seats and councillors and local democracy, all things that the PM says he wants but obviously can’t commit to.

I would be interested to know how many MP’s these days come from the city they represent and what was the figure 50 yrs ago?

I think Gordon Brown may have shot his bolt …there is a wave of anti Brown feeling sweeping the country at the moment, and its reflecting in his personal rating as he slumps to his lowest rating. Many Labour voters see New labour as Pro Immigrant, Anti White, Pro European, and anti English, according to the conversations I am now hearing.

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European Football Championships - Scotland

The Scots were deeply upset because their team got beat by Italy, and didn't qualify for the European football Championships. Despite the fact that the Scots had a chance, in reality this wasn't really a surprise, but they had got themselves so worked up that they had to lash out afterwards.

Inevitably it was somehow the English's fault, and when Israel beat Russia to raise the possibility that England would some what luckily qualify (they need only a draw against a Croatia who have already qualified), violence took place.

My Scots friend Kevin texted me to say that when Israel scored the winner, a group of English people in the pub were physically attacked. Having been in Scotland, and seen how "racist" they can be about the English and sports when otherwise rational people become violent and abusive in their hatred, its very daft but also disturbing.

Scotland get a life, stop blaming England for all your failures!

How are we are to take you seriously, if you are carrying a chip on your shoulders about the size of a plank? Apart from anything else it makes you walk with a national limp.

JUST IN CASE YOU FORGOT .... WE DIDN'T FORCE YOU TO CREATE THE UNION! You joined of your own accord because you were broke and needed England to pay off your national debt, which your 'old alliance' were about to foreclose on.

It's equally up to you to leave the 'Union' by voting SNP and Yes to the referendum question. Easy as that, so there is no historical or real basis to think of yourselves as being oppressed by England.

You came into the Union of your own accord and can leave of your own accord. Beating up or abusing English sports supporters doesn't change the facts, and makes you Racist Neds.

Addendum: Just to keep the record straight, England failed to take advantage of their good fortune and lost to Croatia at home 2:3 and so failed to qualify. There was no doubt much celebration in Scotland at the fact that they did so, but with no British teams qualifying it's gonna take away the main Scottish occupation of supporting everyteam that England played against ..... so there will be two nations twiddling their thumbs next summer.

The England manager got sacked (but paid 2.5 million for his failure), and much wailing, gnashing of teeth and tearing of clothes has taken place in England since. Oddly England are now only second seeds in their world cup qualifying group, which is headed by ..... Croatia, so it could all happen again as only one team qualifies from the group.

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Friday, 16 November 2007

The Saudi's, Our Civilised Friends

Last week the Saudi ruler King Abdullah was feted in a visit to the UK. He was hailed as a ‘reformer’ and ‘liberal’ by the certain delusional sections of our Government, although thankfully not by the press at large.

The Saudi’s are given far too easy a ride in the UK and US, for one simple reason, OIL ….. Nothing else matters, not human rights, not the security of our countries, nothing. For OIL we will lick the backside of every cruel or inhumane regime in the world. We will lock up our demonstrators, silence our press, change our laws, ignore corruption, and our ministers will open their mouths and spout platitudes.

The Saudi’s have played us for fools for decades. Shaking our hands, whilst using diplomatic passports to commit crimes and abusing the tenents of their own religions diktats, in the West. Exporting militant mullahs to preach hatred to our Muslim populations. Our politicians have sat by, and either been taken in, or worse, have known what was going on and done nothing. Those who should have stopped the Saudi money entering and subverting both the mosques, and the version of Islam being propagated in our countries, did nothing. May they rot in the deepest pit in hell if there is any afterlife, because their inaction may well have destroyed the West.

We could have taken steps to wean ourselves off oil, via 100% nuclear generated electricity and electric cars, twenty years ago, and been free to tackle the Saudis and other Arab exporters of terror now, instead of being tied to the oil that they can turn off whenever they want. We didn’t, because it was easier to pander to the anti nuclear brigade, than tackle the problem that will face us for the next fifty years, namely that our power supplies are in the hands of our enemies.

The Saudi’s have been using Petro-Dollars to export the Wahhabi version of Islam into Asia and Europe. For example, all the mosques built or repaired in Europe have been austere Saudi versions, replacing the decorated mosques that were the uniquely European versions of Islam before the Saudi vision had the financial clout to try and destroy it.

At least the Bosnian Muslims have recognised the threat to their uniquely tolerant version of Islam, and started to expel the Arabs, we on the other hand at doing nothing.

Last week it was our Foreign Office minister Kim Howells, who called for Britain and Saudi Arabia to work more closely together despite their differences. He said the two states could unite around their "shared values". Well I got news for Mr Howells, Mr Milliband, and Gordon Brown. We don’t share any values with this pack of scumbags except one, the preservation of the Saudi regime.

So here’s an illustration for the chattering classes in the BBC, and other apologists for the Saudi regime, of what we can expect when we become a ‘Dhimmi’ state. In Saudi Arabia, a young woman was gang raped 14 times, by a gang of the animals that pass for manhood in the Arab world, and was, after appeal, sentenced to 6 months imprisonment and 200 lashes. Now unfortunately gang rape is not restricted to Muslim states, but the judicial punishment of a victim is.

However because, under the Saudi religion a woman in a car with men, who are not her relatives, is considered a whore, she is to be punished for this. Now every non Muslim woman (except Hindu’s) would accept a lift in a car, then they should be aware that this would make them whores in Saudi eyes.

If it hadn’t been for publicity, the men would almost certainly have been 'let off’ because she obviously had not got four witnesses, but because of world publicity the men have been given prison sentences.

Imagine if Europe was already Muslim dominated and under Sharia law itself, would publicity just in the US, South America and China, have been enough to prevent the rapists just walking? I doubt it somehow.

  • Why do Muslim men apparently not care about their women being raped?

  • Why do they agree that, when their daughters are raped, they automatically become whores?

  • How fucking sick in the head are Muslim men, who let Mullahs decide that the rapist who took their wife or daughter should walk free?

  • Why do Muslim women even follow this faith.
Heres a Muslim link … just to give their male orientated view … here’s another site by the same “progressive mullah” in which a woman is forbidden from committing suicide before, or after rape …presumably so she later she can be imprisoned and whipped by her own government.

So every feminist who believes that Muslims and Islamists are 'victims of western oppression', think very carefully about where your interests lie, cos if being gang raped, imprisoned by the police, then whipped, ain’t your thing, then maybe, just maybe, you should be agitating for justice for this woman?

Another set of news stories about the treatment of women and foreigners. The mass abuse, torture, and rape of Sri Lankan women in the Arabian peninsular. Amazing to think that according to Mr Howells we have 'shared values' with these people, but then his boss thinks that the Magreb and Middle East are proto bastions of democracy worthy of joining the EU in less then 30 yrs.

Here's a map of the EU borders of 2035, when Prime Minister Miliband has finished the "New European Project" ..... now we will share borders, as well as values, with all our civilised friends.


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Monday, 12 November 2007

Remembrance Day 2007

There was a minutes silence to respect the Armistice and remember the British fallen, at a football match between Manchester United and Blackburn Rovers. Nothing unusual about that, except that it was immaculately observed at a large football match for the first time in a number of years.

This gave me pause for thought.

What made 75,000 people, amongst whom there has always been a minority element who would chant through minute’s silences in the past, suddenly respect it en mass?

I know that we have soldiers fighting and dying across the globe, but that has applied in previous years and the minutes silence has not always been fully respected …. Hmm what’s going on?

Is this an unconscious statement to those who don’t want to be British/English that we back our soldiers against you?

I thought again about why so many soldiers died on our behalf in the last century, when in this century, there are now those of our fellow ‘citizens’ who send their sons to foreign fields to kill British soldiers.

Is that what we fought two wars for?

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Saturday, 10 November 2007

The BBC and Dr Badri

If you read this story on the BBC UK terror tactics 'create unease' you might be forgiven for believing that Dr Muhammad Abdul Bari was being entirely reasonable in his opinions, indeed mild might be the term used when he claimed that

Every society has to be really careful so that situation does not lead us to a time when people's minds can be poisoned as they were in the 1930s. If your community is perceived in a very negative manner, and poll after poll says that we are alienated, then Muslims begin to feel very vulnerable. We are seen as creating problems, not as bringing anything, and that is not good for society."

He was responding to comments by the head of MI5, that there were 2,000 people living in Britain who pose a terrorism-related danger, and that youngster’s aged 15 were being groomed to be suicide bombers.

Unfortunately I happened to look up and read the full story on the Daily Telegraph only to find that the most prominent part of the interview wasn’t the part we could all agree had some truth (no one likes being vilified in the press), but this veiled threat

But some police officers and sections of the media are demonising Muslims, treating them as if they're all terrorists — and that encourages other people to do the same. If that demonisation continues, then Britain will have to deal with two million Muslim terrorists — 700,000 of them in London," he said. "If you attack a whole community, it becomes despondent and aggressive."

In other words “If you don’t treat us as with the respect that we want", then you can expect to be attacked “with two million Muslim terrorists” this wasn’t worthy of report by the BBC. Read the two stories and make up your own minds.

If you agree with me and think that the BBC have deliberately misled people over the content and thrust of Dr Badri's comments then I suggest that you complain to the BBC.

If the BBC realise that they must not apply different reporting standards to certain groups (presumably because their 'ethnic' and its 'cultural'), then maybe they will not risk becoming just another biased news group with a PC 'multicultural' agenda.



My Complaint to the BBC



On both Radio 4 and the subsequent hourly news headlines on Radio 5, they both discussed the interview given by Dr Muhammad Abdul Bari with the Daily Telegraph, in which they reported that he had said that the way Britain had responded to the terror threat would "create unease" in the Muslim Community. In fact the word "Unease" didn't feature on the Daily Telegraph article on the web.

What Dr Bari did say was "If that demonisation continues, then Britain will have to deal with two million Muslim terrorists — 700,000 of them in London". This statement, or threat, was not mentioned once in the BBC reporting, nor in any interview, despite the fact that it featured at the top of the reported newspaper interview.

In fact the article also attributed Dr Bari with the opinion that "continued negative attitudes towards people of his faith could provoke a vast and angry backlash" but the words 'vast and angry' appear to have bypassed the BBC. He also was quoted as saying that he picked up a mood of "anxiety, frustration and, especially among young people, anger" but not the word ‘unease’.

The BBC on both the Radio and on the web chose the word 'Unease' in quotes to characterise the tone of the interview (as reported on the web), when it wasn't apparently used. The fact that he predicts 700,000 terrorists in London alone, was never mentioned once, despite the both apocalyptic tone of these predictions, and the implied threat to the media to change or else.

Either the guy is a self appointed delusionist who thinks that "700,000" Mujaheddin will rise up in the streets of London if the media carries on reporting Islam and Muslims negatively, or he a credible voice and deserves to be quoted properly when he makes these predictions.

The BBC can't just make up a moderate quote, that didn't actually exist, and attribute it to an interview that was neither moderate (with its threats of 2 million Muslim terrorists rising up), nor very considered, and expect this to be the basis of further discussion just because the subject is a Muslim.

I put it to you that if the BBC had ignored the phrase “the River Tiber foaming with much blood” from the Enoch Powell speech in 1968, that would have been considered bad reporting.

So why 40 yrs later is the BBC now apparently willing to ignore provocative sections of a speech on a similar subject to make its author appear moderate?

Is it because there are now separate reporting standards applied to Muslims, and the non Muslim populations? If so, then surely this a charter matter and we deserve to know what these new standards are?


Note: I will report back and publish the BBC dismissal of this complaint.... it won't go farther because its not an opinion that the BBC hierarchy wishes to encourage.

The Muslim Council of Britain is an umbrella group representing over 500 Muslim groups in the UK. Dr Bari, the chair of the East London mosque, succeeded Sir Iqbal Sacranie as leader of the organisation last year.

The BBC has replied and obviously I was wrong (it appears that there were two versions of the story on the web) ..... LOL, but I publish the replies anyway.


BBC Replies




Thank you for your e-mail regarding the 10 November edition of 'Today'.I understand that you felt that the 'Today' programme and subsequent Radio 5 Live reports erroneously quoted Dr Muhammad Abdul Bari from an interview with the Daily Telegraph.

However, the following Daily Telegraph webpage emphatically demonstrates that the "thick with suspicion and unease" term was apparent in their interview with Dr Bari:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/11/10/nbari110.xml
Please note that the BBC disclaims responsibility for the contents of non-BBC webpages.

The "unease" quotation can be found four paragraphs in to the above Daily Telegraph webpage.I would like to assure you that we have registered your comments on our audience log. This is the internal report of audience feedback which we compile daily for all programme makers and commissioning executives within the BBC, and also their senior management. It ensures that your points, and all other comments we receive, are circulated and considered across the BBC.
Thank you again for taking the time to contact us.
Regards Rory Egan BBC Information
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Thank you for your e-mail of 10 November.
The Telegraph.co.uk article you consulted dates from September 2006 whereas our story was based on the interview Dr Bari gave to the Telegraph last weekend. Some of the views he put forward were similar but they were very different interviews.
I have checked our article against the newspaper and also how other newspapers and media outlets covered the story and I am satisfied we gave a fair and balanced account of the views Dr Bari put forward in this interview, as well as the responses it generated later that day.
Thank you again for contacting us.
Yours, Pat Heery
Pat Heery, UK Editor, BBC News
Well that answers that then, but just leaves the little question why the more provocative interview was not reported by the BBC?

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Sunday, 4 November 2007

Rivers Of Blood

Once again the news is filled with the phrase “Rivers of Blood” and the name of Enoch Powell. This time it’s because a wannabe Tory politician has said that “When you ask most people in the Black Country (Midlands area) what the single biggest problem facing the country is, most say immigration. …. Many insist: 'Enoch Powell was right'.

It’s an oft quoted line from the speech, and despite the PC lefties making it virtually a racist offence to mention it in public, you hear it a lot in salon bars and working men’s clubs across the nation. It’s become a sort of code for the fact that most people will privately agree with its sentiments, whilst publicly stating the opposite.

This is a reflection of how well the media and left wing have stifled all debate on a subject, that given the intense nature of peoples private beliefs, the right wing have handled so badly. Turning a natural vote winner into a handicap, because they couldn’t take on leftie propaganda, was a pretty dumb trick and did a lot of electoral damage.

The original speech made in 1968 made the following points:
  • In 15 or 20 years (i.e. 1988), on present trends, there will be in this country, three and a half million (New) Commonwealth immigrants and their descendants.
  • There is no comparable official figure for the year 2000, but it must be in the region of five to seven million, approximately one-tenth of the whole population, and approaching that of Greater London.
  • There will be annual inflows of some 50,000 dependants, who are for the most part the material of the future growth of the immigrant-descended population.
  • The formation of a Race Relations Board will allow the immigrant population to agitate and campaign against their fellow citizens, and to overawe and dominate the rest with the legal weapons which the ignorant and the ill-informed have provided.
  • That Britain will invite the creation of the same social problems that the US inherited with the Negro population.

OK now I may be losing my ability to analyse issues, so I will quote the latest figures for the predictions.

According the CIA world fact book, with a population officially stated as 60.5 million, the ethnic mix of the UK is as follows (2001):
  • White: 92.1% (55,660,000)
  • Black or Brown (New Commonwealth): 6.3% (3,811,500) – Mr Powell predicted 5 million for AD 2000, however there are believed to be at least 500,000 illegal’s in the UK so he’s not that far wrong.
  • Other: 1.6% (968,000)

According the Office of National Statistics *Net Immigration to the UK was as follows:
  • 2000: 162,800
  • 2001: 171,000
  • 2002: 153,400
  • 2003: 151,000
  • 2004: 222,600
*(Immigrants minus Emigrants)

Of course this is all sources, not just New Commonwealth, but they are the majority and the term “net” in reality usually means White British emigration and majority non white immigration.

For a comprehensive look at these figures, including racial or geographical origins then go to this interactive report on the Born Abroad Project.

And for his other two predictions, well how many people think that the Race Relations Board and its spin off groups, didn’t soon become a political body to beat up the white majority with, rather than a racial equality board? For instance an influential ‘New Labour’ “Think Tank”, the ‘Institute for Public Policy Research’ came up with the following suggestions.
  • Christmas should be downgraded in favour of festivals from other religions to improve race relations
  • Action to "ensure access" for ethnic minorities to "largely white" countryside.
  • Flying flags other than the Union Jack i.e. a Pakistani flag.

The report robustly defends multiculturalism - the idea that different communities should not be forced to integrate but should be allowed to maintain their own culture and identities. I would remind this New Labour band of PC brothers that a former Labour MP and Minister, John Stonehouse pointed out the folly of this approach in the 1960’s. “To claim special communal rights leads to a dangerous fragmentation within society. This communalism is a canker; whether practised by one colour or another, it is to be strongly condemned

Or if you think they are too far off beam (but they did come up with ID cards, bin taxes and road pricing), how about a girl denied a training course because she was “English and White” … If Enoch had suggested this would be the state in 2007, he would have been locked up, not just howled down.

Finally, I will simply point to the fact that our prison system holds
  • More than 11,000 of the 81,000 prison as foreign nationals.
  • And 25% of prison inmates were non white, 15% were black and 6% were Asian. As Non Whites only make up 7% of the population, the fact that they make up 25% of the prison population indicates that they are more than three times as likely to be involved in crimes. Isn’t that a sign that we have the same problems on race and integration as the US?

So factually there appears to be not one item wrong with the content of the Mr. Powell’s speech, so why the fuss? Why didn’t it open up the immigration and race debate that Enoch wanted?

Sadly Rivers Of Blood Are All Too Common These Days.

It’s got to be the term “I seem to see …’ the River Tiber foaming with much blood’" … as usual the Media and the Left misunderstood what an Oxford trained classical scholar was alluding to, it wasn’t a call to arms, but rather a dire warning of what may be. It was a classical allusion; to the Cumaean Sybil’s prophesy in Virgil’s Aeneid, bk. 6, l. 86: “Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno.”

She is foreseeing the troubles that come from immigration, but it is to the troubles suffered by an immigrant that she refers – the hero, the immigrant in question—Aeneas—travels to Italy at the head of a determined retinue, carrying his household gods and a divine right of residence. His intention to settle is not to be gainsayed, and if this means “wars, horrid wars,” so be it…. i.e. the cause of the river foaming with much blood.

I might add that the phrase “rivers of blood” was also used by, among others, Thomas Jefferson and Winston Churchill…. However, it was an allusion that bypassed the comprehensive educated Left wing, and the equally ignorant chattering classes. He should have stuck to the Latin and it would have been ignored as “too highbrow”.

The left reacted to Powell and the mass support he received by the public, with the usual contempt they reserved for popular opinions that they don’t share. As the Labour Party politician Richard Crossman noted in his diaries, Powell had "stirred up the nearest thing to a mass movement since the 1930s", "stimulating a real revolt of the masses ... the illiterate industrial proletariat who have turned up in strength and revolted against the literate". A Gallup poll held at the end of April showed that 74% of the electorate agreed with Powell…. Whereas the political establishment might condemn him, he had clearly struck a chord with the "illiterate industrial proletariat". The 'illiterate industrial proletariat' aka the working class, that Mr Crossman was insulting were in fact 100% Labour voters.

As it was, Mr Powell's turn of phrase (just a little educated showing off for the classically trained), is likely to have prevented any coherent discussion, and maybe some action, on curbing immigration for 40 yrs. It probably did more damage to his own cause, and therefore many would, think our country, than Hitler’s bombs managed. Somewhat ironically the speech was delivered on the 20th April, Hitler’s birthday, by a patriotic man who was correct in his predictions, and who meant only to avert a social disaster.

To misquote from his speech, those whom the gods wish to destroy, they first make mad.

We must be mad, literally mad, as a nation to be permitting the annual inflow of such immigrant numbers that, for reasons which we can not comprehend, and in pursuance of a decision by default, on which we were never consulted, caused us the native population, to feel that we have found ourselves made strangers in our own country.

Rivers of Blood quotes:

We are asking the nations of Europe between whom rivers of blood have flowed to forget the feuds of a thousand years. Winston Churchill

The rivers of America will run with blood filled to their banks before we will submit to them taking the Bible out of our schools. William A. Sunday

..all will attain representative government, more or less perfect. This is now well understood to be a necessary check on kings, whom they will probably think it more prudent to chain and tame, than to exterminate. to attain all this however rivers of blood must yet flow, and years of desolation pass over. Thomas Jefferson.

The Croatian president accused Serbian President Mr. Milosevic of "staging land grabs to enlarge Serbia, and of provoking warfare that created rivers of blood.'' Croatia President, Stjepan Mesic

Revelations 16 which talks of the several bowls of God's wrath which are the 7 plagues. They are: Grievous sores; Seas of blood; Rivers of Blood; The Sun scorching people; Darkness; River Euphrates dries up; Severe earthquake.

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