A Very British Heroine

Yesterdays killing was so depressing for the probable future of the UK, that this will be the last I post on it.

Cub Scout Leader Ingrid Loyau-Kennett Challenges The Killers

But I have had time to note a few points that may be worth a public airing.

 

Firstly: I had once posted a while ago that 'religious converts' are the most dangerous of people, so it was prescient that I should add that link to yesterdays posts, as its now appears that at least one, if not both of the butchers, was a convert from Christianity to Islam. Update: In France, a man named 'Alexandre' a convert to Islam, stabbed a French soldier in the neck with a "fairly clear intent to kill", near Paris on Saturday. 

Secondly: As at least one of the men was a 'convert', and was of Nigerian descent, was he converted by the cult of Boko Haram?  This cult is extremely violent and very anti western ..... its just a thought.

Thirdly: For anyone who is black to convert to Islam shows a remarkable lack of knowledge of Arabs  treatment of blacks ....  The major juristic schools of Islam have always historically accepted the institution of slavery, and in Saudi Arabia and Arab North Africa, black males are still held in servitude in conditions that to all intents and purposes are slavery.

And Finally, politicians are as I predicted yesterday, spouting nonsense about the peace loving nature of the culture in our midst, with the Prime Minister David Cameron saying that "There is Nothing in Islam that Justifies this Truly Dreadful Act”. Well he is either very badly mistaken in that statement ..... or being incredibly disingenuous with the public.

Whilst its true that the Qur'an (5:32) says "Whosoever killeth a human being, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind." .... it also has many other things to say.

Here's a few bits of Islam Cameron might need telling about:

1. (Sura al-Tawba 9:123). "O believers, fight the unbelievers who are near to you, and let them find in you a harshness; and know that Allah is with the god fearing" 
2. (Sura al-Tawba 9:29). "Fight against those who believe not in Allah and the Last Day and do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger, have forbidden -- such men as practice not the religion of truth, being of those who have been given the Book -- until they pay tribute out of hand and have been humbled" 
3. (Sura Al Ma idah 5:33). "The punishment of those who wage war against God and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or cutting off of hands and feet from sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;"

The Quran also encourages Muslims to fight, even when they would rather seek peace with those who do not wish to adopt Islam. 

1. Sura (2:16) "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
   Or the ‘they are not to be befriended’ parts:
2. Sura (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people." 
3. Sura (5:80) Sura (3:28) Sura (3:118) Sura (9:23) Sura (53:29) Sura (3:85) Sura (1:5-7) are a few more he might be embarrassed about. 

There are allegedly 123 verses of the Quran that refer to killing non Muslims simply for being non Muslims .... even the bit about saving human life is interpreted by some as referring to Muslims only (not that the residents of Pakistan, Iraq or Afghanistan would notice it being applied much by their co religionists, even at that limited definition).

If you are going to talk about Islam and its message, at least get one of your researchers to check the facts ..... the same caution should in fact be applied to statements about all religions and creeds. There are violent parts in the Old Testament / Torah:

GE 34:13-29 The Israelites kill Hamor, his son, and all the men of their village, taking as plunder their wealth, cattle, wives and children.

- they just ran out of Philistines etc to smite.

Politicians should always remember that we can all read the news, or watch TV.